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Andy叶Mozi has very similar tendency or to say attitude about the music and the musical things after i did the reading of it.Because he think that the music is harmful thing towards the people or the “citizen”.The main reason is about two aspects:the instrument and the music itself.First the instrument will cost a lot of money to construct or build,and this money should be used to improve the people’s life or the defense or the development.And on the other hand the music will do harm to the people,the farmers,to make them feel lazy and do not do their ow jobs.So thats ,kind of, like the plato’s perspective.
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LZH__As for my opinions about this chapter, I can’t say whether I agree with Mozi. Because I think he opposed to the musical performance is due the background of the politics in that time. There were so many wars from countries to countries and people had a heavy corvee and tax. So I think when we talk about the “musics” from Mozi. We should forget how easy we can listen musics now and it is just one choice of amusement for us. But in the ancient China. Musical performance just the only way to entertain. So I think Mozi refer to the musical performances stand for the extravagant and dissipated for the rulers. So he opposed it. Maybe if I was a people in the Spring and Autumn I will agree him.
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Mozi
Chapter 32
Mozi oppose to the musical performances because 1.Mozi thinks musical instruments aren’t in the public interests like making boats or carriage.
2.The three major concerns of public are hungry,cold and tired but musics can’t make the society get the governance if the country is beaten,the people is insulted......
3.If you wanna listen musics you have to choose someone to strike the bells . They must be the young instead of the old. However then young male can’t do farm work and young female can’t spin.
4.If you wanna listen listen the musics. You will find someone together with you. He can be a gentleman or a base person. The Gentlemen cannot govern the country by their wisdom . The base person will give up their things such as planting.
5.Mozi took 齐康公’s 《Million》for example. Performers must eat the better food and dress the beautiful clothes. Of course, they don’t need to work on the production.
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Charlena
Mozi suggested strong disapproval of music being appreciated among the ruler, the guardians and the subordinates because it does more harm than good to them all. This is different from Plato's point of view, since the latter sees music as part of the education, teaching people to know the "Good", whereas Mozi considers it merely as as a waste of time and sources, bringing no food, clothes, nor construction of a city.
I think Mozi said this because at his time, the Warring States, music, which is usually played at a high expense, is only accessible to the royal family, not to the majority of common people. But here by"music" he probably refers to any leisure activity that is reinless, luxurious or excessive.
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Felicity
Mozi said that music cannot help people in need to have the batter life and also cannot control chaotic. I think for this point, Mozi mentions not music itself but the cost of producing the musical instrument. In addition, Mozi also believes playing the musical instruments, especially bells, will waste the working time of young and strong man. And when great man enjoy music, they will waste time for dealing withe the national affairs. All in all, Mozi believes that music can let all citizens waste their own duty. I agree with Mozi ’s opinion, but I also believe that he only concern the negative part of music and ignorant the positive part, such as encouraging armies.
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Frédéric
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Andy叶In the chapter3 ,plato clarify the importance,as far as i am concerned,of the education.That is how to influence the citizens in the republic:the man,the women,the children,the young people and the guardians.And this kind of education can be devided into two parts:the music education and the gymnastic education.In fact,the music education is not only concentrate on the “music”,it is actually a kind of literature and art education.In the debate between the two persons in the book,they settle the law of the education: that is the literature, music, poetry can be a great power to influence the people and they can serve the politic.For example,if the music in the city is about something sad and sorrow,it will make the citizens feel unhappy,depression,and sad.Moreover,they will have no enthusiasm to put into their job and work,which to the ruler and the development of the city.So they want to settle a rule to delete all the sad ,indulgent work and to help the citizen build the good healthy virture and characteristics.And they also think that the pure and true love is not the desire between male and female,it is the love between the same gender.
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Millieon18
What’s more interesting in this part is the relationship discussed between lovers.
The right kind of love to love is orderly and fine.
The pleasure mustn’t approach love.
So this makes me question what kind of feeling in your heart can be described as love, if love doesn’t involve with lust and sexual desire, then what is the difference between the affection towards a lover and a really good friend? (Assuming that the affection for both is to the same extent: keen and strong)
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Millieon18
We can tell from their conversation that musical education plays a important part just as the physical education and music is the counterpart of the gymnastic.
“the rearing in music is most sovereign because rhythm and harmony most of all insinuate themselves into the inmost part of the soul”
Music is considered as something that can reach into people’s souls
They’ve discussed and decided different modes of music that suits for different situations according their features. They’ve decided which kinds of music is useful and which kinds are not.
This also applies to art, poetry and crafts. However, in my opinion, whether music is the most suitable thing that can go into one’s soul is not sure because for each individual this can be different. What’s more, there’s no such thing as useful or useless music so as good art or bad art. Though we may use different music in different situations.
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FrankPlato thinks people should accept two kinds of Education.One kind of education is music education, the other is physical exercise.Good music education can make children smooth.Inject good quality into the child's character.In this way, both mental health and physical health are guaranteed.